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Originally Posted by Wolster
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Originally Posted by cyberia
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We never wrote it correctly in the first place! To the victors the spoils!!
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If this is your take on winning, you've won nothing.
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Let me answer this first! I don't think you understand the meaning of my post, or I don't understand your response. I was actually supporting your argument. One of the spoils the victors enjoy is to write the history books. They usually make no mention of the bravery of the ordinary German soldier and the conditions he endured. That is why I said they were never written correctly in the first place.
Again, apologise if I took you the wrong way but remember we left the nasty stuff behind!!  . I do understand that this is an emotive subject for you and a good dicussion for me!
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No nasty stuff intended. You and I are at opposite ends of this and I am curious to see if we can find common ground.
I'll leave my family out of this and thereby any emotion, and I thank you for having done the same.
I really don't think we are discussing you and I here, but rather views in general. There are those you feel the IC is a symbol of nazi brutality, and there are those you do not.
Lets continue here and try to understand the issues.
My contention is the IR was established as an honorable military award long before the nazis, and there is no reason it should continue as such now.
It in itself is not a symbol of hate, but one adopted by hateful people.
Case in point 1: During current racial unrest in Great Britain, those making victims of middle-eastern people use the Union Jack as a rallying symbol.
Then should the Union Jack be declared a hateful symbol and abolished?
Case in point 2: I have seen many a neo-nazis in this country wearing the IC and waving the American flag. All the time spouting the same hateful anti-semitic rhetoric as the nazis in the 1930s.
Does this mean the American flag is an extension of nazi ideology?