Firstly, apologise for not answering the first part of your post above, got half way through and the bloody PC shutdown, piece of carp, new one on the way!
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I really don't think we are discussing you and I here, but rather views in general. There are those you feel the IC is a symbol of nazi brutality, and there are those you do not.
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Absolutly!!
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Lets continue here and try to understand the issues.
My contention is the IR was established as an honorable military award long before the nazis, and there is no reason it should continue as such now.
It in itself is not a symbol of hate, but one adopted by hateful people.
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For me, this is the crux of the problem, those people are not going to go away fast. It is an interesting irony that one of the fastest growing places of right wing Nazi-ist parties is in Russia! We have them in the UK though, google combat18, or better still, dont!!
Also, I feel it has been tainted by a few of those that wore it and did nothing to earn it other than killing civilians based on ideology.
I am not saying the modern German soldier shoould not be honoured, just I think a more modern medal. Remember, all military tradions start somewhere! Also, military tradition is not worth one human life!!
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Case in point 1: During current racial unrest in Great Britain, those making victims of middle-eastern people use the Union Jack as a rallying symbol.
Then should the Union Jack be declared a hateful symbol and abolished?
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Unfortunatley, this has already happened. Particularly with the English flag, the Cross of George. A few years back, in a town next to the one I lived in called Bath the Cross of George was taken down from the town hall as people had complained it was a racist symbol!!
The Liberals are selling the country to the radicals because they are to scared to stand up to them!!
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Case in point 2: I have seen many a neo-nazis in this country wearing the IC and waving the American flag. All the time spouting the same hateful anti-semitic rhetoric as the nazis in the 1930s.
Does this mean the American flag is an extension of nazi ideology?
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Lets hope it dosnt become so as the case above!! Of course, you are free to fly your nations flag where as we in the UK are not allowed without paying for a licence, and then there are a lot of governing rules. Tradition isn't always good!!
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I'll leave my family out of this and thereby any emotion, and I thank you for having done the same.
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I will, but I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall if your father and my Grandad were having the sme conversation!!