[Miss Saigon]

Originally Posted by TRDG

A bit spooky and touched me a bit more was the visit to that mass grave site with the skelitons with wisps of hair still on them, that really made me "feel" Bremmers horror and discust, let me tell ya, as well as the Sadam government, you know it and read about it, but when Bremmer talks about it, it does hit home more for me!!

I have been to Auswitz. They had a mountain of human hair there. It really phased me. I couldn't deal with it.

Getting those 25 delegates set was a chore initself and I liked the way it was explained on how they went about it.

Yes. Speaking of plan, I don't see how anyone could have expected things to go faster than they did. Building a functional government in Germany took 4 years and it took 7 in Japan. Not to mention the 12 years it took the Americans before ratifying the constitution.

The CIA meeting with the new boss, his top priority was still WMD and rounding up the leaders like Sadam, I can see Sadam, but still WMD?? More like saving face, so to speak for the justification of the war ina way as I se it, but that is just me.

I am not so sure. 550 tons of yellow cake Uranium just arrived in Canada recently from Iraq. It was shipped from Iraq by the US government to a firm in canada that is going to convert it for civilian power use.

U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

You will note in the above article they hint at some things that this clears up, but do not actually admit that the press was wrong about them. For example, the whole Valerie Plame - Ambassador Wilson thing eluded to in the last paragraph. That whole thing was connected to Wilson saying there was no Yellow Cake in Iraq and this being used against the Administration's justification for war. Well, there is no Yellow cake in Iraq. It is now in Canada.

This is being downplayed in the media as if it had nothing to with WMD, but it is a building block for nuclear weapons. Again, the above article admits this to be so, but then acts as if in this case it wasn't intended for that. I find that absolutely amazing. It is as if they have put the WMD story to rest and do not want to disturb it.

Tommy Franks also talks about the tons of stocks of intermediate chemicals found in Iraq that were stored in military installations. While not assembled into chemical weapons yet, they were precisely the chemicals used to assemble weapons and they were stored in military facilities. Hard to believe these were for OTHER uses. Plus all sorts of documents were found about the various nuclear and chemical weapons programs.

There is too much politics in the WMD question right now, but I don't think the last word has been written on this yet. Further down the road when it is no longer a question of supporting or discrediting a president and a war for political reasons I think more is gonig to be written about this Iraq WMD thing, and it is not going to be what the NY Times is currently writing.

I reallyu thing Bremmer explained it all very well when he talked about the former Iraq soldiers and their command structure ( compared to Hitler no less, and with good reason) A top heavy leadership military, with a lot of diverse and untrustworthy "upper' commanders, you reaaly could not get a lot of them, as well as the rgular soldier to work with the various factions, IE religious and political. North I can't say to much about yet, but I bet I will in the future.

I like North's book, but I think he was wrong in his statement. The fact is that the Iraqi Army was full of conscripts under the leadership of people many of them despised. The fact that they took the first opportunity to run and go back home is not to be unexpected. And once gone getting them to reassemble wasn't going to be as easy as issuing an order by Bremmer.

Cheers, how was that MS?

Moving right along Yoot