Focke-Wulf Fw 190

[Aussie Dave]

Originally Posted by Geek44

I guess they knew what they were doing and how far they could push the aircraft. Jeez, you know I love an FW 190 but I'm a 109 man for sure. And I like the 'ugly' ones too...the 'G' series is probably my favourite. I think they started to get serious with 'em when they began installing the 'Galland' (Erla) canopies and a 30mm hub cannon. Makes me wonder how rifle calibre armament survived as long as it did in any airforce. Still, if it was my life on the line...gimme a D-9 anytime.

Speaking of "Hub" cannons, I remember reading that the 20mm Mauser MG 151 Hub cannon was often removed from the Bf 109G - "Gustav" in the field at the request of pilots by their ground crews because it over-heated the engine and added to the existing problem of the DB605 engine, which was prone to overheating already.
(Overheating the DB605 caused oil to seep out and over the hot engine block and catch fire. If in the air, the pilot had to bail out.)

Cheers,
Dave

[Geek44]

Originally Posted by Aussie Dave

Speaking of "Hub" cannons, I remember reading that the 20mm Mauser MG 151 Hub cannon was often removed from the Bf 109G - "Gustav" in the field at the request of pilots by their ground crews because it over-heated the engine and added to the existing problem of the DB605 engine, which was prone to overheating already.
(Overheating the DB605 caused oil to seep out and over the hot engine block and catch fire. If in the air, the pilot had to bail out.)

Cheers,
Dave

Crikey! That's new to me. What boggles my mind is the inclusion of a MG 108 (?) 30mm cannon. That's some serious metal!
I believe the 109 was still being built by other nations as late as 1955 (don't quote me). I think the Spaniards and even the Israelis had modernised versions until after that date. That's quite a service life.

[Randy]

That first pic is of the 190G that was brought to the US and extensively test flown (as shown). Note the totally bogus fuselage cross and swastica so popular with WW2 American servicemen . . . lol



The blast tube between the two banks of cylinders was well ventilated and insulated the engine (and the gun) very well, and the gun wouldn't produce very much heat relative to the engine anyway. Engine overheating was a point of contention between Messerschmitt and Diamler Benz but centered around inadequate oil de-aeration. I've never heard of the cannon being removed from a 109 and not replaced with something so I would be disinclined to say it was a common practice. This loadout would leave the later 109G's with two 13mm guns, not particularly lethal. Early 109's (through the D model) toyed with, but were never standardised with, center mounted guns so apparently it didn't appear to be worth the trouble due to the existing wing guns.

I have heard of MK 108's being replaced with MG 151/20's, however. This wasn't too uncommon because the 108's firing rate and ballistics (and limited amount of ammo) didn't work too awfully well against fighters - it was very dificult to achieve hits in a dogfight with it. Though the 108 was KILLER against bombers the 151/20 was more than up to the task of downing fighters. Due to its higher rate of fire, good muzzle velocity and greater ammo capacity (in the 109) it was the preferred gun of many expert 109 pilots.


Spain produced the last 109's (Hispano Ha 1112M1L) with Merlin engines and production ended in, that's right, 1955. A few are still flying today, some re-engined wth DB605's.

The Isreali 109's were Avia S199 Mezeks which were produced between '47 and '49. Avia made a slick sliding canopy for the S99 (basically stock 109G14) that makes me wonder what the Germans were thinking about. The S199 came about when the DB605 engine supply disappeared in a wherehouse fire and He111 Jumo 211 engines were substituted. The lower rpm of the Jumo engine and the 10ft prop diameter limit of the 109 combined with the three blade hubs the Czechs were limited to meant the prop blades were more like spoons and the torque lead directly to the unofficial name: Mezek (Mule). This plane was seen as unfit for Czech duty but totally worth selling to desperate Isrealis.


woohoo

[Wustenfuchs]

What a thread!! Love the 190, but the Ta 152 is my fave. sometimes...sorta....barely....ok I can't make up my mind, the 190 is a sweet plane

[McCoy]

Originally Posted by Randy

That first pic is of the 190G that was brought to the US and extensively test flown (as shown). Note the totally bogus fuselage cross and swastica so popular with WW2 American servicemen . . . lol



The blast tube between the two banks of cylinders was well ventilated and insulated the engine (and the gun) very well, and the gun wouldn't produce very much heat relative to the engine anyway. Engine overheating was a point of contention between Messerschmitt and Diamler Benz but centered around inadequate oil de-aeration. I've never heard of the cannon being removed from a 109 and not replaced with something so I would be disinclined to say it was a common practice. This loadout would leave the later 109G's with two 13mm guns, not particularly lethal. Early 109's (through the D model) toyed with, but were never standardised with, center mounted guns so apparently it didn't appear to be worth the trouble due to the existing wing guns.

I have heard of MK 108's being replaced with MG 151/20's, however. This wasn't too uncommon because the 108's firing rate and ballistics (and limited amount of ammo) didn't work too awfully well against fighters - it was very dificult to achieve hits in a dogfight with it. Though the 108 was KILLER against bombers the 151/20 was more than up to the task of downing fighters. Due to its higher rate of fire, good muzzle velocity and greater ammo capacity (in the 109) it was the preferred gun of many expert 109 pilots.


Spain produced the last 109's (Hispano Ha 1112M1L) with Merlin engines and production ended in, that's right, 1955. A few are still flying today, some re-engined wth DB605's.

The Isreali 109's were Avia S199 Mezeks which were produced between '47 and '49. Avia made a slick sliding canopy for the S99 (basically stock 109G14) that makes me wonder what the Germans were thinking about. The S199 came about when the DB605 engine supply disappeared in a wherehouse fire and He111 Jumo 211 engines were substituted. The lower rpm of the Jumo engine and the 10ft prop diameter limit of the 109 combined with the three blade hubs the Czechs were limited to meant the prop blades were more like spoons and the torque lead directly to the unofficial name: Mezek (Mule). This plane was seen as unfit for Czech duty but totally worth selling to desperate Isrealis.


woohoo

Aren't you a little off now considerin' that this thread is dedicated to the Butcher bird? Good post though even if it's 'bout the bf109 n' not the fw190.

Welcome to the Zone!

[LAH 1 SS]

did someone say ta 152 heres two





plus two d9's as well (i love them two)

[Wustenfuchs]

Thanks Liebstandart!! Ta 152!

[LAH 1 SS]

no problems mate i love them to reminds me i need to start building the 1/32 scale kit i have of one plus the 6 d9's i have

[Wustenfuchs]

I hope you post pics of your work. I'll be lookin for it.

[LAH 1 SS]

yeh i will mate going to start it soon first full resin kit im going to attempt its the rutmann kit very good and worth the money trust me