21 Division 22nd Pnzr Regiment tank colors

[BillyTucci]

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone can steer me in the direction in obtaining color guides (via models or illustrations) to tanks of the 22nd Panzer Regiment (21st P/D) in the Vosges region of France in October of 1944.
Thanks,
Billy

[Pirate-Drakk]

Originally Posted by BillyTucci

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone can steer me in the direction in obtaining color guides (via models or illustrations) to tanks of the 22nd Panzer Regiment (21st P/D) in the Vosges region of France in October of 1944.
Thanks,
Billy

In my copy of "Wehrmacht Panzer Divisions, 1939-45" they have nice pics of the color schemes. The base color was the same desert tan from Tunisia (where they came from). On top of that they had vertical green tiger like stripes for the tanks. SP guns had a three color camo with the same desert tan base, and blobs of brown and green. Hope that helps.

[gi-rene]

Also don't forget that in Normandie the 21st was using lots of captured/taken equipment...

[Panzermacher]

Alot of 21st PD vehicles may have been in "Ambush Cammo" at that time as they pulled alot of rear guard actions.

Here is an example of the ambush Pattern on a JadgPanther:

[MAGNA]

The 21st had a varied list as far as vehicles went. The camo schemes were just as varied. You have a lot of leeway here. That's why so many like to model German vehicles. It is hard to be wrong.

[BillyTucci]

Thanks guys!

Pirate, w/o being too much of a pain, is it at all possible for you to scan one one of the pics for me?

The spotted version really looks great as well Panzermacher, thank you so much!

We'll showcase many vehicles of the 22nd, but our main one will be a Tiger VI.

[McCoy]

What type of Tiger? A Tiger I or II? If it's a Tiger II then which turret? 'Porsche' or 'Henschel' variants. A Tiger I n' a Tiger II 'Porsche' should have zimmerit but not neccesary a Tiger II 'Henschel' but most likely as the ceased deliverin' zimmerit coated tanks from the factorys in september '44.

A Tiger I should have a threetone softedge airbrushed pattern while a Tiger II 'Henschel' should probably be in hard edge threetone ambush pattern. You're quite free with the pattern on a Tiger II 'Porsche' as there was a big variations on 'em but most of 'em fell prey to allied Jabos in Normandy n' would probably not be in ETO in october '44.

[BillyTucci]

Originally Posted by McCoy

What type of Tiger? A Tiger I or II? If it's a Tiger II then which turret? 'Porsche' or 'Henschel' variants. A Tiger I n' a Tiger II 'Porsche' should have zimmerit but not neccesary a Tiger II 'Henschel' but most likely as the ceased deliverin' zimmerit coated tanks from the factorys in september '44.

A Tiger I should have a threetone softedge airbrushed pattern while a Tiger II 'Henschel' should probably be in hard edge threetone ambush pattern. You're quite free with the pattern on a Tiger II 'Porsche' as there was a big variations on 'em but most of 'em fell prey to allied Jabos in Normandy n' would probably not be in ETO in october '44.

A Tiger I -- the 22nd didn't have any II's.

Do you have any photos (model wise or color illustrations)?

Again, thanks for help and any reference is greatly appreciated!!!!

[Panzermacher]

BIlly I been doing some research into the 21st panzer in the Vosges area and here is what I found:

1 October-11 November: Deployed on a 52-km broad front, the averages in combat forces in the area of the Vosges each day:

15 Mk IVs

4-5 light field howitzers with SP carriages

9 Batteries of 3 guns, among them 3 batteries with heavy howitzer "18"

2 Batteries with 88 AA guns

6-8 AT guns (88s)

10 At guns (75s)

"The number of weapons was never greater than this but often considerably lower owing to losses". Pg 24 (see note 10 below).
This may Historical affect the use of a Tiger 1 from this division. But, Two schwere Panzer Abteilungs with Tiger ones may have been in the area....(Fk) 301 and schwere Abteilung 506. (This comes from the book "Tigers at the Front" by Thomas L. Jentz.
Entirely possible a TIger Platoon was used as 'fire brigade' here for the book purposes.

According to the pics (B&W) the Tigers were Panzer Dunkel Gelb (Dark Yellow) over sprayed in a 'Tiger Stripe' Pattern with a Olive Grun and a Red Brown. The Particular vehicle in one of the pics has been heavily camoflaged with Deciduous foliage. (Due to Allied Air superiority)
IT would look somewhat like this vehicle....covered in branches.







Hope this helps...

Below is the Unit ID of the schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 if you need it also.

[Pirate-Drakk]

Originally Posted by BillyTucci

Thanks guys!

Pirate, w/o being too much of a pain, is it at all possible for you to scan one one of the pics for me?

The spotted version really looks great as well Panzermacher, thank you so much!

We'll showcase many vehicles of the 22nd, but our main one will be a Tiger VI.

If I had a scanner I would be happy to help you out, in the mean time, just read my mind....or buy the book.
Arrr!