The End Of Hitler?

[jdbeatty]

OK, one more time SLOWLY:

"U234" may have been captured on the way to Japan in the late spring of 1945. The "uranium" would have been nothing more than the high-grade Belgian Congo pitchblende, and ALL the pitchblende in German hands (some 1300 tons) could have made maybe two kilos of weapon-grade fuel. Critical mass with the technology available at the time required no less than 20 kilos. All but 600 tons of it were recoverd by February 1945. ^00 tons of the stuff mighty yeild a few grams of weapon-grade. Remember too that Germany abandoned nuclear weapons research in August 1942, deciding that a weapon could not be made by anyone within the time span of the war. Well, we all know how worng that was.

Japan had practically no uranium ore of any type. She had no way of refining it. She had no way of making a deployable nuclear weapon.

The very best this hoary old fossil of a story can ever do is encourage the propagation of the false rumor of a Japanese nuclear program that had any chance whatsoever of making a weapon.

[Troy Tempest]

Originally Posted by peter eire

On this subject has anybody read a book called 'The Berkute'or something
like that.

Story goes Hitler had a double and a secret room in the Bunker.
Hitler's double commits suicide and the real Hitler hide's in the secret room.
SS officer rescue's real Hitler and flies off to Bavaria in last plane out of Berlin

Long couple of chapters ....eventually Hitler captured by Russians and held in a Large Birdcage by Stalin poked by sharp sticks every night when Stalin got drunk or annoyed.

Sounds a crap story but I enjoyed the book...could not put it down....Mrs Peter Eire loaned the book out ...never saw it again hence cant remember
the exact title...something to do with a German Cat/animal /bird

Hi Peter, the book you are thinking about it called The Berkut by Joseph Heywood, (1987) and you're right, it was an excellent read! Whilst I realize the actual idea of the Führer escaping Berlin at the last minute is not on, once you get over that, the rest of the story is exceedingly readable. Very recommended!

[Troy Tempest]

Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan

Sarge, you're right, this is getting OT, but I have to ask. You're kidding about the number of the U-Boot, right??? The U-234?? Carrying uranium? That would have to be one of the biggest ironies of the entire war, since the atomic number of Uranium is, well, 234!!!

Tom, sarge and Jim, the U-boat was U-234, but it was carrying 560kgs of U-235, not U-234! When the U-234 surrendered to the Americans, they found all the containers marked U-235 on board. When loading the U-boat before departure, one of the Kriegsmarine crew thought that the containers were supposed to be for U-235, but for some reason or other, he assumed U-235 was unavailable, so their boat, U-234 had to transport them instead. Little did he realize that the containers were actually carrying uranium-235! Uranium 235 was the active ingredient in the second atomic bomb, a uranium bomb, called Little Boy, which hit Hiroshima. The first bomb, known as 'the gadget' or Trinity, as it was detonated at the Trinity site in New Mexico, and the third bomb, Fat Man, which hit Nagasaki, were plutonium bombs. The active ingredient of these is Plutonium 239 (Pu-239). This is made from U-238 absorbing one neutron to form Pu-239!

[PanzerBob]

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The boat, at the end decided to turn itself into the americans. (a little side fact: They were found by a Canadian boat and ordered to turn themselves in. They had no intrest of surrenedering to the candians; so they continued onto america. i thought that was pretty funny.)

Aside from all the other implausibilities discussed already, this one too is laughable at best.

The RCN would have never let this U Boat go so they could surrender to the US. If they had tried to leave, I'm positive the first 3inch shell across their bows would have changed their minds.

The Canadian Navy giving up a war prize like that!!! Not Bloody Likely!!!

[Tom Houlihan]

Originally Posted by PanzerBob

The RCN would have never let this U Boat go so they could surrender to the US. If they had tried to leave, I'm positive the first 3inch shell across their bows would have changed their minds.

Did the Canadian Navy have a 3 inch gun???



I'm kidding, of course. I was a guest of some Canadian sailors in Norfolk, VA, during one of their port calls. Right good folks!

[Troy Tempest]

Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan

Did the Canadian Navy have a 3 inch gun???

Tom! Don't be silly! It's a well known fact that the Canadian Navy had TWO 3 inch guns! :smile:

[Tom Houlihan]

You're right, Troy! I was thinking of the peacetime authorized limits!

[PanzerBob]

OK I stand corrected our Corvettes had a 4" inch Gun up forward, plus plenty of other things with pointy ends which go boom. That U boat wouldn't have gotten far, accept straight to the bottom.

Flower Class Corvettes

[phylo_roadking]

There's a historian from UCD - University College Dublin - who's preparing a book on this as we discuss. There are MANY problems with the events surrounding the death of Hitler it seems - some of the highlights being totally conflicting witness accounts of the body burning - even as diferent as different time on different DAYS! It seems only ONE of these witness to body burnings at the door of the bunker...there appear to have been THREE separate events...identified the body of the Fuhrer - by his TROUSERS!!!

The second major batch of problems are with the dental "evidence" used by the Russians. It appears NO actual dental records of Hitler's survived - instead bridgework on a disembodied jaw (yuck) was identified by a dentist who wasn't even present when the bridgework he was shown was done - he identified it from his RECOLLECTION of the records, having claimed he could LOL

Finally, there are major disagreements with almost EVERY apparent fact...and Hugh Trevor-Roper's "definitive" account published by late summer 1945 and now accepted as "gospel"

There is WHOLE pile of anecdotal evidence as well of events in real life being different from the historical "record", one of the most interesting one being the strange "missing" flights of Hanna Reitsch - who in her autobiography remembered several more flights in and out of Berlin in the last three days than the historical record would have us accept.

Apparently this material is all to be published in abridged form in an American "conspiracy theory"-type magazine sometime around now, to test the waters of public acceptance, then will be posted up on the magazine's website for public access. Then depending on the reaction the book will be published. As soon as it's up on the Net I'll append the URL here.

I've seen some of the material for the abridged articles, and authenticated some of the details on my own. So far I can't fault the scholarship...

[barrett.t]

Hitler's now with elvis shopping at walmart