They're just misguided, right?

[Tom Houlihan]

Sorry, Kameraden, but this article just flat feckin' pissed me off! I had to share/vent, so here I am.

Iraq: Ominous Signs of a Looming Sniper Threat
February 14, 2007 21 43 GMT



Summary

In a series of raids across Baghdad, U.S. and Iraqi forces seized more than 100 Austrian-manufactured sniper rifles in a 24-hour period Feb. 12-13. The 50-caliber weapons, which were legally exported to Iran in 2006, represent a grave danger to coalition troops.

Analysis

Over the course of the last six months, handfuls of heavy .50-caliber sniper rifles manufactured by the Austrian company Steyr-Mannlicher have been turning up in Iraq. But a series of joint U.S.-Iraqi raids Feb. 12-13 in Baghdad uncovered more than 100 Steyr "HS.50" rifles -- an unprecedented development that bodes ill for U.S. troops surging into the Iraqi capital.

In 2005, the National Iranian Police Organization placed an order for 800 Steyr HS.50s worth more than $15.5 million (nearly $20,000 per rifle). Ostensibly, the rifles were intended for use in interdicting drug smugglers. The U.S. and U.K. governments both protested the shipment in 2006, fearing the rifles would fall into the hands of Iraqi militias. A month and a half after the initial shipment, the first U.S. soldier was killed with one of these Steyr rifles.

A standard practice among Western weapons manufactures is to mark a rifle with its serial number in several locations -- not only the frame but also the bolt and barrel -- and this is the practice at Steyr-Mannlicher. Such marking is especially important for sniper rifles, which are machined to precise tolerances -- a professional would want to keep the bolt and the barrel with the original rifle. Grinding the serial numbers off would negatively affect the accuracy of the rifle.

The Steyr HS.50s found in Baghdad have been traced through Iran back to the 2005 Austrian deal with the National Iranian Police Organization, presumably by using discernable serial numbers on the weapons.

The .50-caliber round is powerful enough to punch through not only the Enhanced Small Arms Protective Inserts (E-SAPI) -- the armored plates worn by U.S. troops -- but also much of the light armor of U.S. vehicles. Iran also appears to have supplied armor-piercing incendiary rounds, which are even more destructive once they get inside the cramped compartments of vehicles. The armor-piercing incendiary rounds would also wreak havoc with a low-flying helicopter if it could actually be struck in-flight.

The Steyr HS.50 and other rifles of its kind are designed to engage targets at thousands of yards. Of course, a rifle is only as good as the marksmanship training of the person holding it. World-class snipers are the product of intensive training, something Iraqi insurgents noticeably lack (there are running jokes within U.S. military units about how terrible Iraqi marksmanship is). That said, a weapon like the Steyr HS.50 used to engage targets at 100 to 300 yards in a dense urban environment has a much larger margin of error and is devastating at such close ranges. Moreover, it is a single-shot, bolt-action rifle more accurate than the semi-automatic M82A3 Barrett .50-caliber sniper rifle used by U.S. forces. In the right hands, the HS.50 is capable of a minute of angle beyond 1,600 yards (a measurement amounting to phenomenal accuracy).

Insurgent snipers have been increasingly dangerous in the last two years. In 2003 and 2004, Iraqi sniper fire was inaccurate and sporadic. Since then, however, casualties from sniper fire have been creeping up, and turret gunners are now being taken down with head shots.

That more than 100 Steyr HS.50s were confiscated in a single 24-hour period in Baghdad suggests two things: First, that such a concentration was put in place in preparation for the building U.S. surge into the Iraqi capital and that the cache could represent the bulk of the rifles supplied to Iraqi Shia by supporters inside Iran. But if substantially larger portions of the original 800 rifles have slipped into the capital, it will be costly for both U.S. and Iraqi forces. The only question is: How many did Iran keep for itself?
The second point to consider is this: U.S. troops almost certainly acted on excellent intelligence, suggesting that if there are more large caches, they very well could be found.

Such a powerful weapon in the hands of a single, well-trained professional is trouble enough. But hundreds of these rifles supplied to a large swath of Shiite militias could exact a considerable toll on coalition forces moving into Shiite neighborhoods -- a told the current level of force protection cannot prevent.

I'd volunteer RIGHT NOW to go in there and find every assbag that agreed to this deal, Austrian and Iranian, and put a bullet right between their running lights! At my expense, even! I'll pay the airfare, and bring my own guns and ammo! This is bullsh*t!!!

I don't feel much better, but I'm done. For now.

[Klaus]

That's big news in Austria as well. But there is something not mentioned in this Article: It is not sure that those rifles used in Iraq are the same Austria delivered to Iran in 2005. To be quite frankly I think it is BS. But a Steyr-Mannlicher spokesman said, that those guns could have been reproduced, since the patent for HS.50 expired sevreal years ago.

[Tom Houlihan]

Klaus, I have no way of knowing if it's BS or not. I doubt they'd publish the serial numbers. However, I'll guarantee someone is trying to track those numbers down. That's the only way we'll know.

I have nothing against selling weapons. Hell, my off-duty weapon is "Austrian Tupperware!" But, those weapons to them? Bad news...

[Klaus]

Yeah. If they really sold em to the Iranians that would be bad news indeed. But on the other hand: Who didn't sell weapons to the Iranians or even the Iraqies? Russia? America? Austria? Who knows what deals were made with whom? Someone sells weapons doesn't concern with if it's right or wrong. They wanna sell. No matter to whom.

[Tom Houlihan]

Good point.

[Jim O]

Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan

Good point.

Exactly. Look at what the Iran air force (such as it is) flies. To me the issue is really with who is putting American soldiers in harm's way. If that is the Iranian regime they are responsible.

[sniper1shot]

Someone sells weapons doesn't concern with if it's right or wrong. They wanna sell. No matter to whom.

That's a good quote. In reality the Austrian company will make loud noise "I can't believe this happened" or " This is not what was in the contract" etc etc but the truth is they made their profits and really could care less who buys their weapons.

I am sure that some of these are going to show up in Afghanistan too.

[Klaus]

The "funny" thing is that the Austrian Army doesn't use the HS.50 themselves. Perhaps to expensive?