Political Correctness

[barrett.t]

I am not offended Gary and I did not think that you were trying to. I just wanted to know in what context it was said so I could evaluate it. Castro cannot do a lot for his people because American Governments, not the people, embargo Cuba, which I think is unfair for ordinary people suffer. We did it against Iraq and thousands died as a result. I think Castro is a fool he should compensate Americans for their losses and come to some agreement with America for mutual co – existence. I can understand why older Americans dislike those people who called themselves communists. The leaders of Russia, China, North Korea and so on were sadistic dictators who had no respect for human life. As you know Marx never argues for the wholesale slaughter for those people the state is supposed to protect. The emphasis is on economic and social equality. So therefore: If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John, Fitzgerald Kennedy. The government would reflect the peoples will as Rousseau thought, and Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. That Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Abraham Lincoln. Said like a good socialist. Gary I will always be grateful for the many Yanks that died on the Normandy beaches that have since allowed me to speak freely. So I can say with freedom what I truly think and feel. Under Stalin I would have been shot.

Although, laid many miles from the USA there are many fields in France that will always be forever America. God bless you and keep you and thank you and as another great American thought, Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to new generation of Americans- born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage- and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of Liberty. And so my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you- ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America can do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. John Fitzgerald Kennedy Born 1917- murdered in 1963.

[barrett.t]

Originally Posted by barrett.t

I am not offended Gary and I did not think that you were trying to. I just wanted to know in what context it was said so I could evaluate it. Castro cannot do a lot for his people because American Governments, not the people, embargo Cuba, which I think is unfair for ordinary people suffer. We did it against Iraq and thousands died as a result. I think Castro is a fool he should compensate Americans for their losses and come to some agreement with America for mutual co – existence. I can understand why older Americans dislike those people who called themselves communists. The leaders of Russia, China, North Korea and so on were sadistic dictators who had no respect for human life. As you know Marx never argues for the wholesale slaughter for those people the state is supposed to protect. The emphasis is on economic and social equality. So therefore: If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John, Fitzgerald Kennedy. The government would reflect the peoples will as Rousseau thought, and Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. That Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Abraham Lincoln. Said like a good socialist. Gary I will always be grateful for the many Yanks that died on the Normandy beaches that have since allowed me to speak freely. So I can say with freedom what I truly think and feel. Under Stalin I would have been shot.

Although, laid many miles from the USA there are many fields in France that will always be forever America. God bless you and keep you and thank you and as another great American thought, Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to new generation of Americans- born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage- and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of Liberty. And so my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you- ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America can do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. John Fitzgerald Kennedy Born 1917- murdered in 1963.

for evil to prosper good men have to stay silent

[Roddoss72]

Originally Posted by Ingsoc

On the surface it's look like a good idea to fight racism, however if you examine the PC culture more closely you will find out that it's actually serve rasicsm, rascism is not calling a person with black skin a "Niger" (a latin word that simply mean "Black") but to discrimate him at education, jobs, etc. by the fact that the PC people think that not calling someone a "Niger" or other words you solve racism, this view is actually help rasicm since it's give the impression of advance while infact the true rasicm (discrimination) still exist.

Salutations Ingsoc

The offending word is spelt Nigger, two g's not one.

Regards

Roddoss72

[salinator]

Political Correctness is not the same of Political Awareness.

The former can be seen as forced upon, while the later can be argued as selection by free choice.

[Roddoss72]

Salutations All

I think if a name change is needed then so be it, i don't think it is PC madness, i think it is just setting the record straight.

Regards

Roddoss72

[Jason G]

Setting the record straight is generally what political correctness seeks to PREVENT, because nowadays, it's a thought crime if anyone's little feelings get hurt by bad words, unless of course, those saying the bad words are from the left, or of that certain race. Then, mind you, "it's all good". Doublespeak is alive and well, thanks to the neverending busybodies who continue to torment us for 'our own good'. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather take the chance of 'being offended' than being told by some overbearing gummint what I can, or cannot say, do, eat, or think. Lest I be labled some sort of criminal element and shipped off for 're-education'.

[Jim O]

Originally Posted by Jason G

Setting the record straight is generally what political correctness seeks to PREVENT, because nowadays, it's a thought crime if anyone's little feelings get hurt by bad words, unless of course, those saying the bad words are from the left, or of that certain race. Then, mind you, "it's all good". Doublespeak is alive and well, thanks to the neverending busybodies who continue to torment us for 'our own good'. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather take the chance of 'being offended' than being told by some overbearing gummint what I can, or cannot say, do, eat, or think. Lest I be labled some sort of criminal element and shipped off for 're-education'.

Jason,

Of which "certain race" would you be referring? The reason that I ask is that I do sense a little but if "doublespeak" in your post.

So let's be clear here. Call a spade a spade (no pun intended, that expression originated from Plutarch in 178 BC). Thinly veiled racist commentary, to me, is the same as out and out racism.

While you are thinking about your answer to my question, you might want to review this site's rules and regulations, the ones to which you agreed to abide when you registered. You can find them at World War II Zone Forums Rules and Regulations.

This site will not be a place for people's petty prejudices, or for political accusations either from the left or from the right. There are plenty of political forums around, and perhaps some others as well where you might feel at home making such comments. But be assured, they will not be tolerated here at this site. This is a history site, no more, and no less.

[Jason G]

Jim:

Replied to you via PM prior to seeing this posted.

[Roddoss72]

Salutations All

If the Polish Government want's to change the name it is within their right to do so, i think it is offensive that NON Polish folk think they have no right to do so, me i think they should change the name and be done with it.

Regards

Roddoss72

[gi-rene]

PC-ness for most of us in the military goes right out the window. At least in company of our brothers. One thing you learn (especially as a Marine) is that personal feelings are tertiary. Ironically enough some of the very un-PC humor we come up with is very well thought out and a lot of times is a perfect satire of those who remain PC.

Case in point. Myself as an example. I'm abstinent by choice. Not religious, not any influence, just my own personal choice. I hear about my virginity at least once a day. Do I care? Nope, could care less. In the civilian world, if I wanted, I could make giant dog and pony show about how its a hostile work environment.

We have Equal Oppurtunity reps in place in case of serious cases, but the good thing is most of us know when we push the line too far. We especially don't talk to people outside of the Marines or even our own units like that. We don't trot downtown San Diego calling people names or telling jokes to the civilians. Its kept in the brotherhood, because we know that the men and women around us are our "relatives" and we all know there's no harm meant by a lot of our jokes.

I actually fear going back to the civilian world, I may say something that could get me in trouble, its a bad habit "out there" but a good one here, it keeps us on the alert, we keep our wits about us (for those snappy comebacks) and especially it hardens us against our own emotions, when the time comes that the crap hits the fan, we won't care about all those petty things some make a big deal about.

For sure there are some real biggots and racists and sexists out there, and I think they need to knock that crap off. But as they say, the spoiled apple ruins the rest.