letter of support to our troops

[barrett.t]

Dear Sir

We thank you for your courage and bravery I think that if they came running towards me I would seriously think about running the other way. Our hearts and thoughts are with you all in these times of strife and war. The stress you are under must be considerable and it is most likely quite horrible never knowing what is around the next corner. I honestly believe that you fight in democracies endeavour against a religious tyranny that knows no compassion or mercy only barbarity in reality. I saw those videos on the Internet of the be-headings of innocent victims and I was shocked to my core. They were laughing and they thought it was a joke. Those poor men must have been terrified and what a barbaric way to kill someone. We all hate to see innocent civilians suffer and we all feel so sorry for the innocents that get hurt whoever they are. Although I bet Osama bin Laden# does not, they are just pawns in his strive to control. In Britain there are for, and against the war, why because that is our way we talk freely and debate. However, I can assure you that everyone respects what you are trying to achieve and supports your efforts to try to bring stability to that country.

If he were still alive today Churchill #might of said in a speech to the houses of parliament, “What Commander Lt Gen David Richards, called the Battle of Afghanistan# is largely over I expect that the Battle for the freedom in Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of liberty. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our right to be wrong, as well as right. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Bin Laden and others know that they will have to break us in this island or eventually lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all Europe may be allowed to stay free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of a perverted religion. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties and so bear ourselves that, if the isles of Britain and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will say, 'This was their finest campaign” #


You are meeting an evil head on in my view. If not there, then where, for eventually it would come here in force. I wish that I could fight with you, I am not a brave man but I just wish I could just stand up to those thugs and do my duty. Nevertheless, I am too old to do so so I am told even though I do not feel it. There are many in Britain who possibly feel like me. This conflict is for the many, who can think and say what they like without a reprimand or malice from the state or church. Therefore, we can criticise our leaders and government without the threat of torture or the fear of imprisonment. Al Qaeda and others execute people who disagree with them or do not have their morals. They scream “Allah the compassionate” before they bomb somewhere????????????????????????? Tell me not to be around, when he, Allah that is, is being sadistic it must surely be a nightmare. They beat and suppress women rights to be individuals, oppress and execute gay people, maim and mutilate poor people for stealing. And hang people for just having affairs and torture those they want to for any reason that suits at the time. Like the Nazis in many ways, they use coercion, intimidation and force with violence to get people to think their way. They believe like fascists that they are right and deem everyone one else are wrong and nobody is entitled to another opinion. This belief justifies to them, killing anyone who gets in their way.

How little do they know the British determination and their long history? Men and women have fought many times for the rights of free thought with speech. Not to have dogma forced upon them by others. The English Civil war# where king Charles 1st # a tyrant was deposed in the cause of parliamentary democracy, The American revolutionary wars of insurrection led by Washington# where other English subjects fought in their cause for freedom, defeating mad king George‘s# armies. Some members of parliament cheered when the revolutionaries won their freedom. Great Britain is so fair you can cheer for the opposing side. I bet you cannot do that with Mr Bin Laden and friends they would find a reason in their holy book to execute dissenters. The Canadian wars, wars of 1812 or as the Americans call it the “forgotten war” because we beat them and Napoleon Bonaparte. # These two wars were about the same time with the battle of the Nile #and Trafalgar# with Horatio Nelson # and the Duke of Wellington # at Waterloo 1815. America tried to bully us and take Canada and we were not having any of it. We burnt down the White House because it was pink what a dreadful colour, and invaded other parts of America to teach them some manners and to show them we could take it back if we tried. However, I suppose we the British are so kind and the Americans made such a palaver over it we let them keep our old colonies. Napoleon was another Dictator that came unstuck when he tried for world domination for himself. The same old story just a different time. Another was the First World War 1914-1918 with Ypres plus the Somme and Arras against a German dictatorship the Kaiser 2nd #

Further more the Second World War (1939-45) with Norway, the Battle for Britain, North Africa El Alamein, Singapore, Normandy, Sicily, Anzio, against another German tyrant Hitler#. The Korean war (1950-53) and the Falkland’s conflict (1982) are some battles amongst many others that the British have fought in the defence of the underdog. Last but not least the campaign in Afghanistan against a religious dictatorship that was extremely cruel and Osama bin Laden a despot. Who wants the power of the religious kind to rule the Middle East and everywhere else his way? Surprise, surprise. Please sir Liberty rests in your hands please protect her, for we all in Britain take it for granted because of people like you, which defend her. You are the guardians of the lights of independence and for the emancipation of ordinary people to determine their own future against the religious egotists.

The 35th President John Fitzgerald Kennedy# said in a speech “ Let the word go forth from this time and place to friend and foe alike that the torch has been passed to new generation unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights, which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill. We will pay any price bear any burden meet any hardship support any friend oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of liberty.”# This much you have graciously pledged and we all say thank you, to you, from the bottom of our hearts. “If a free society cannot help the many who are poor it cannot save the few who are rich.” # You in my view are helping the poor of the Iraq to take control over their own affairs. And one day to have the same standard of living that we have hopefully. Granting in the same token we are willing to talk sense if needs be to stop the suffering on all sides “Let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate.”#

All of us in the United Kingdom are united on one issue we seriously lament those who have fallen in the battle to shore up the pillars of freedom, those who were and are truly the real heroes in this world. Their families command the deepest respect for the soldier that fore-goes his life in the defence of others, so innocents do not lose theirs, is rightfully revered and is inspiring. Also it reminds me of a quote someone once said, "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." # The 16th President Abraham Lincoln once said something like this “we are met on the great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who gave their lives that a nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. Nevertheless, in the larger sense -we cannot dedicate-we cannot consecrate-we can not hollow- this ground. The brave men living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add and detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what we did here.

Further, it is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work, which they who have fought here have thus so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us that from these honoured dead, we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion, that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under god shall have a new birth of freedom and that Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”# I have also lost someone in a violent tragedy and understand the pain and the turmoil this brings. As one poet might have said, there will always be some part of Iraq or Afghanistan that will always be apart from the United Kingdom, but forever Britain. I believe too that you are trying to bring some democratic justice with an independent judiciary without the very biased merciless Sharia law involved. Lincoln added “neither, Slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime, whereof the party shall be duly convicted, by legitimate judicial process. This is a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all peoples are created equal.#


I consider that you fight for those natural laws of mercy tempered by wisdom for those who think another way and hold different beliefs. The sword of democracy would not be sheathed until religious extremism is brought to answer for its misdeeds against those natural laws of compassion and charity. “Thus, they cried we will not cease from our mental fight nor shall our swords sleep in our hands till we have built a democracy of sovereign for every one in our Jerusalem”# and the infinite collective of our peoples. Sovereignty and freedom for all, who were saved by the people of the British army, from the Sharia and Al Qaeda cruelty that is beyond imaginations nightmares. Those who usually do and die for their country are the backbone of Britain and the cornerstones in the foundations of a Liberal society. We all salute you all and admire your stoic valour, if there is such a thing as a truth than this is it. Perhaps this is neither the end of the beginning nor the beginning of the end, however, it is possibly the start of the beginning, in which the British and the free world peoples could hope to make it to the end, and win.


May your God bless you and keep you safe from harm to come home to your loved ones.




A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

[Klaus]

There are some very good thoughts in that letter. But I still think it is time to get the soldiers out of that mess.

[barrett.t]

You could be right. But to be truthful klaus the more I think about it the more they should liberate the whole of the middle-east from that oppressive religion. And the oligarchic fascist regimes such as the one in Saudi Arabia. All of our governments have collaborated with these regimes and ideas at one point or another, which leave a lot to be desired when it comes to human rights.

[Klaus]

That's for sure. Point is that not every Muslim is an extremist. As not every German was a Nazi. The Koran has a lot in common with the bible and other religious Texts. Every religion has or had its dark time. And islam is the newest world religion.

[barrett.t]

You made the point that I really meant it seems the religious extremists get into power and force their view on others. Just like the Nazis did in Germany. I do not think all Muslims are extreme. However, I believe they are misguided in my opinion and quite bigoted towards minority groups as some Christians are. Most of the governments in the Middle East are not Democracies and their human rights records are abysmal. That's why I think that they should be Democratised

[Klaus]

Sorry, got you wrong there. But do you think it is a good thing that the first thing what they see of democracy is the muzzle of a gun? I don`t think that you can force democracy on someone. We all know what happend after WWI.

[barrett.t]

I don't know that I have got it wrong I have an opinion which is neither right nor wrong it just is. I was against the war when we went in and I feel for the loss of life concerning the innocent people. killing innocent people avenging the loss of innocent people, well two wrongs do to not make a right. But two reasons I am for firstly I think there would be civil war if we left. I would want to protect ordinary people who are not after power. The power mad are a minority in any society. They use religion party politics or anything to try and control others. Secondly the Middle East is in the dark ages with that sharia law. I think that if we left the religious bully boys would eventually take over. Using religion to control and hurt people. There are videos on the Internet showing a poor man getting his foot and hand cut off. Then they say Allah is compassionate. Osama bin Laden has been hurt badly and his organisation. We would have had to face up to him either in Iraq or somewhere else. They are not going to go away if we just ignore them for they want to impose that barbaric religion on everyone.

[Klaus]

It may be not civil war in Iraq but close to it. And Osama never had to do anything with the Iraq. They didn't like each other because Sadam lived more after western standards. I don't want you to get me wrong. I have a hard time to express such a delicate matter in english.

[barrett.t]

Klaus you are right it seems like civil war but I think that it would be a lot worse if we left. More innocent people would die because of those religious nutters want to control peoples minds. You are also right Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq But since the invasion he has exploited the situation. His agenda is a very bad one he wants total authority, he is a totalitarian in religious form. They execute people at a whim plus beat anyone who disagrees with them. He sends men and boys who suffer with low self esteem to die for his personal agenda. He wants to create a barbaric society. I personally think that they are as bad as the Nazis. If I were young enough I would be willing to fight and to die fighting those religious monsters. I feel sorry for ordinary people who live under that extreme Islamic doctrine they have to agree with them or be executed or tortured. I sincerely believe that this fight has to be fought because they want to export it every where. Your English is great and you can speak and write in two languages. I can't. I do not know that I am right I only think so.

[Klaus]

Long time since last post...

Perhaps it would be better to get the troops out of the Iraq. The troops are seen as invaders by some people. When there is a sucide bomeber attacks the troops and civilians get killed as well, some Iraqies may think: "This happens because the americans and british are here." Some may think this way. Therefor they are open for such religious crap like Osama is spreading. Nurturing (hope I got that word right) the hate against western civilisations (especially against the American way of live). Getting out the troops may put an end to this. Iraq was never that religious, more turned to the west. It would be a bad thing if, especially under these circumstances, added to a general dislike of invading troops the religious matter came into sight.

Hope my writings make the sense I hoped to achieve. If not...well can't do anything about it right now. But I will see if I made my point clear after I got an answer to that post.

Anyway: I would like to invite everybody to take part at this thread. Otherwise it looks like Barret and I have this thread for us alone.

Or is this kind of thing not interesting anymore? So far 92 people looked at this thread. And I am pretty sure some have at least one thought or the other.