With "friends" like this, who needs "enemies".

[PanzerBob]

Originally Posted by Geek44

Indeed Horch, being a white man is fine. I just think we in this country (and maybe others, not finger pointing here mind) need to take responsibility for what we do. It's being a buch of arrogant, racist jerks that isn't fine. Personally, I don't consider myself to be a white man, I consider myself a man.

BRAVO ZULU

"I consider myself a man." Never a better statement spoke, if all peoples would stop labelling themselves and others then I believe more peace and harmony would exist!! I love to fill forms, which ask "background" information out with just "human".

I've seen the horrors just a label have wrought.

Yet I care so much whether a Panzer is an Ausf C or D. Any Shrinks care to take that on!!!????


BTW I'm not OFFENDED either, these issues need discussion if change is to continue.Think about having this discussion 50 years ago and you can see how far we have come and conversely how far we still have to go.

[Geek44]

Peace Bob.
Peace.

[Roddoss72]

Salutations All

Like the British did to us during their nuclear testing, we had no protective clothing while the British protected their own.

Regards

Roddoss72

[Aussie Dave]

I'm not sure the brits present had on anything that different to the aussies?

IIRC, I remember reading somewhere that the brits that were there also suffered for it later like the australian troops that were there did.

Remember we are talking about the "Duck & Cover" days when people actually believed doing that would help save them in an atomic blast.
They knew about the Thermal radiation dangers but their knowledge of Ionizing radiation was limited.

Besides the posts in this thread show that even our modern democratic governments don't care if their soldiers die as long as the served their purpose and believe the end really does justify the means.

The parts that get me are for one, why did we australians let the british test their atomic weapons on our soil at all?
I'm sure if Australia asked Britain to allow Australia to test/detonate a few nuclear weapons somewhere on the British Isles, I know what the answer would be.

The other is what did Australia actually gain by allowing the british atomic tests on its soil?
I can answer that question, Australia didn't get anything out of it except broken promises that were made by the British Govt. - We got screwed over bigtime.

Actually I'm mistaken, we did get someting else out of them.
Atomic Death Zones

How awesome is that?


Cheers,
Dave

[Holly6]

Originally Posted by PanzerBob

BTW I'm not OFFENDED either, these issues need discussion if change is to continue.Think about having this discussion 50 years ago and you can see how far we have come and conversely how far we still have to go.

Agreed. I would have preferred the song to deal with the Polynesian take over of the Pacific Islands. Of course the line about guns, would have to be changed.

[Roddoss72]

Originally Posted by Aussie Dave

I'm not sure the brits present had on anything that different to the aussies?

IIRC, I remember reading somewhere that the brits that were there also suffered for it later like the australian troops that were there did.

Remember we are talking about the "Duck & Cover" days when people actually believed doing that would help save them in an atomic blast.
They knew about the Thermal radiation dangers but their knowledge of Ionizing radiation was limited.

Besides the posts in this thread show that even our modern democratic governments don't care if their soldiers die as long as the served their purpose and believe the end really does justify the means.

The parts that get me are for one, why did we australians let the british test their atomic weapons on our soil at all?
I'm sure if Australia asked Britain to allow Australia to test/detonate a few nuclear weapons somewhere on the British Isles, I know what the answer would be.

The other is what did Australia actually gain by allowing the british atomic tests on its soil?
I can answer that question, Australia didn't get anything out of it except broken promises that were made by the British Govt. - We got screwed over bigtime.

Actually I'm mistaken, we did get someting else out of them.
Atomic Death Zones

How awesome is that?


Cheers,
Dave

Salutations Aussie Dave

We got glow in the dark Kangaroo's, easy to shoot at night.

Regards

Roddoss72

[Geek44]

There was a great doco (Four Corners I think) about the nuclear testing at Maralinga and the rocket range that used to be on Cape York too.
Remember Menzies was the PM at the time and he would have cut off his ears if the Queen requested it of him. There was also the hope (according to the doco) that the Brits would share the nuclear technology with Australia if we provided the testing ground. Of course they never did.
Years after the tseting ended, there were still scientists at the site testing soil samples to get a better idea of the decay. They took their samples from designated areas, returned them to their lab and took readings. One guy decided to test outside the designated area one day and found thousands of tiny, spherical 'rocks'. When he returned some to the lab, their radioactivity registered off the scale of their geiger counters. The sample had to be placed on a stool outside the building (about 30 feet) to register within the scope of their available equipment. I believe this occurred around 1958-59. The samples turned out to be Cobalt 16. An incredibly unstable isotope produced by the detonations. In short, nobody is going to be using that land for anything any time soon. Thanks Bob!
Peace.

[Roddoss72]

Originally Posted by Aussie Dave

I saw this on the TV news the other day, and I was disgusted by it.

US planned nerve gas tests on Australian soldiers | The Courier-Mail

Nice way for the US Government to treat a friendly nation and its Ally hey?


Cheers,
Dave

Salutations Aussie Dave

Well as it goes no good deed ever goes unpunished.

Regards

Roddoss72