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Better check yer order again....the Bonnie came first... and Yep AI I do Like that song.....Originally Posted by Holly6
Naw, we Blue Backs were just taking 'em in order after the first post.
Better check yer order again....the Bonnie came first... and Yep AI I do Like that song.....Naw, we Blue Backs were just taking 'em in order after the first post.
Quick double-check:
While the flag in some variation was adopted under the South Carolina Militia Act of 1838, the flag as shown today was not officially adopted as the state flag until January, 1861. Then it was the flag of the seceded Republic of South Carolina - the first of the states to leave the Union.
As such, it is indeed every bit as much a Confederate flag as any other pattern of Confederate flag (and there were many). In fact, the palmetto flag, as it became called at the time, was far more the symbol of secession for the South than the more famous Bonnie Blue flag - that gets far more publicity than it deserves based on an examination of the newspapers of the time (but it did have the song). I have found FAR more mentions of palmetto flags being hoisted all over the South (as well as out West and in the North) as symbols of secession than the lone star/Bonnie Blue flags.
SC Sovereignty Flag
This is a version of an early flag raised over South Carolina shortly after its secession from the Union in 1860(it was also supposed to have been raised over Yale University by sympathizers). It was called the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag and was supposed to have been an inspiration for the Confederate flag in its later form.
Confederate Flag
Confederate Flags (U.S.)
Your Post:
In February of 1861, several southern states that had seceded from the Union met in Montgomery, Alabama and formed the Confederate States of America. That day Jefferson Davis was elected President and at the convention a large flag with a single white star on a field of blue was raised as both a symbol of fellowship amongst the seceding states and rebellion against the Union. Upon the unfurling of this flag a preceding officer waved it with the exclamation, "The Bonnie Blue," which was followed by a shout from the other delegates and citizens in the audience of "Hurrah, for the Bonnie Blue Flag". In the audience, Harry McCarthy, a traveling showman, who was so inspired by the thrilling moment that he wrote the rousing song "The Bonnie Blue Flag."
It would seem both SC Flags would preceed the Bonnie Blue in their involvement vis-a-vis the War of Northern Agression. However, I wll grant that both of my sources are Confederate based and we all know that they can include faulty information.
Last edited by Holly6; December 4th, 2008 at 7:36 PM.
If voting could change things, it'd be against the law.
I've seen both but am only familiar with the meaning of one. Thanks Hal.
Peace.
'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Then suffocate 'em in their sleep.'
Following a PM from Holly6, here's the Australian equivalent...our 'flag of rebellion' if you will.
The Eureka Flag
The original flag flown at the 'Eureka Stockade'
A bit off topic but I described events to Holly in a PM and felt this was the best place for it. I don't even know if it's possible to add pics to a PM.
Peace.
'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Then suffocate 'em in their sleep.'
Ok I see where this is going....but a CONFEDERACY cannot be one state.....Quick double-check:
While the flag in some variation was adopted under the South Carolina Militia Act of 1838, the flag as shown today was not officially adopted as the state flag until January, 1861. Then it was the flag of the seceded Republic of South Carolina - the first of the states to leave the Union.
As such, it is indeed every bit as much a Confederate flag as any other pattern of Confederate flag (and there were many). In fact, the palmetto flag, as it became called at the time, was far more the symbol of secession for the South than the more famous Bonnie Blue flag - that gets far more publicity than it deserves based on an examination of the newspapers of the time (but it did have the song). I have found FAR more mentions of palmetto flags being hoisted all over the South (as well as out West and in the North) as symbols of secession than the lone star/Bonnie Blue flags.
SC Sovereignty Flag
This is a version of an early flag raised over South Carolina shortly after its secession from the Union in 1860(it was also supposed to have been raised over Yale University by sympathizers). It was called the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag and was supposed to have been an inspiration for the Confederate flag in its later form.
Confederate Flag
Confederate Flags (U.S.)
Your Post:
In February of 1861, several southern states that had seceded from the Union met in Montgomery, Alabama and formed the Confederate States of America. That day Jefferson Davis was elected President and at the convention a large flag with a single white star on a field of blue was raised as both a symbol of fellowship amongst the seceding states and rebellion against the Union. Upon the unfurling of this flag a preceding officer waved it with the exclamation, "The Bonnie Blue," which was followed by a shout from the other delegates and citizens in the audience of "Hurrah, for the Bonnie Blue Flag". In the audience, Harry McCarthy, a traveling showman, who was so inspired by the thrilling moment that he wrote the rousing song "The Bonnie Blue Flag."
It would seem both SC Flags would preceed the Bonnie Blue in their involvement vis-a-vis the War of Northern Agression. However, I wll grant that both of my sources are Confederate based and we all know that they can include faulty information.
"In February of 1861, several southern states that had seceded from the Union met in Montgomery, Alabama and formed the Confederate States of America. " (Not the Confederate State of Noble South Carolina!) Sorry AI, I do not want to Steal your Brave state's Thunder.....But, the Bonnie Blue was the first "Confederate" Flag. The Palmetto was the first Secessionist Flag, as Noble South Carolina boldly took her stand in January, 1861.
The Bonnie Blue saw action with Many brigades at First Manassas, Some units carried the Bonnie a little longer until the "First National" was adopted. (Rumor had it that some units confused the blue of the Bonnie with the blue of Battalion/brigade Guidon flags, which caused some major problems when adjusting battle lines!)
It's them Yankee facts what are all messed up.....
Last edited by Panzermacher; December 4th, 2008 at 9:01 PM.
Uhhhh.....I'm from North Carolina. We were last (Tennessee doesn't count because they took so long to make it official). We were the first at Bethel though, first to lose a Confederate soldier in Battle, Made the furthest Charge at Gettysburg, and were the last to surrender at Appomattox.
"We Will Stay Here, If We Must All Go to Hell Together"-Col. John R. Cooke, 27th NC, Hatcher's Run, 2 April 1865Avatar: My Grandfather on the right. His twin on the left. Their older brother in the middle. In their Navy Blues
The Tarheels truly deserve their fame. AC, any idea how they got the nickname?Uhhhh.....I'm from North Carolina. We were last (Tennessee doesn't count because they took so long to make it official). We were the first at Bethel though, first to lose a Confederate soldier in Battle, Made the furthest Charge at Gettysburg, and were the last to surrender at Appomattox.
If voting could change things, it'd be against the law.
OOPPPSSSS!!! My bad! I thought you Hailed from South Carolina.Uhhhh.....I'm from North Carolina. We were last (Tennessee doesn't count because they took so long to make it official). We were the first at Bethel though, first to lose a Confederate soldier in Battle, Made the furthest Charge at Gettysburg, and were the last to surrender at Appomattox.
I heard that story once, but can't recall it so if Air Knows, I hope he shares.The Tarheels truly deserve their fame. AC, any idea how they got the nickname?Uhhhh.....I'm from North Carolina. We were last (Tennessee doesn't count because they took so long to make it official). We were the first at Bethel though, first to lose a Confederate soldier in Battle, Made the furthest Charge at Gettysburg, and were the last to surrender at Appomattox.
(Here we go...off topic AGAIN)
Here is what I found online:
In Colonial days, North Carolina was a big producer of tar, pitch and turpentine.
During one of the fiercest conflicts of the Civil War, North Carolina troops felt they had been let down by a regiment carrying the colors of another state, and thus carried chips on their shoulders when they pulled back from the front after the battle.
"Any more tar down in the Old North State, boys?" members of the other regiments taunted the battle-weary North Carolinians.
"Not a bit. Jeff Davis bought it all up," retorted the Carolinians.
"How's that, what's he going to do with it?"
"He's gonna put it on your heels to make you stick better in the next fight," answered the soldiers from the land of tar, pitch and turpentine.
Gerneral Lee, hearing of the incident, remarked: "God Bless the Tar Heel Boys."
The nickname stuck.
"We Will Stay Here, If We Must All Go to Hell Together"-Col. John R. Cooke, 27th NC, Hatcher's Run, 2 April 1865Avatar: My Grandfather on the right. His twin on the left. Their older brother in the middle. In their Navy Blues
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