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    Illegal Immigration

    Over here in Australia at the moment one of the BIG news stories is Illegal Immigration and 'Boat People' who risk their lives trying to get here.

    I am a supporter of immigration but I strongly oppose accepting illegal immigrants who use the world media to apply pressure on our government to make exceptions for them and grant them citizenship.

    IMHO Australia is a real 'Soft Target' and we need to get tough on illegal immigration because the flow of illegals will increase as more are rewarded by being allowed to successfully enter the country and stay at our financial expense.



    This would be funny if it wasn't so true.

    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.


    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.


    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.


    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.


    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.


    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.


    IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BOARDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:
    A JOB,
    A DRIVERS LICENSE,
    PENSION CARD,
    WELFARE,
    CREDIT CARDS,
    SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
    FREE EDUCATION AND FREE HEALTH CARE.
    (All supplied to them by the Aust. Govt. and funded by the Australian Tax Payer.)
    However our Australian governments have made a real mess of things too in handling the problem and given the illegal immigrant detainees too many avenues of appeal and allowed them to avoid or constantly delay their deportation by tying up the system with 'red tape', filling the immigration detention centres.


    Illegal immigration into Australia has two sources.
    First, it has been revealed that large numbers of visitors arrive at Australian airports who either have false identities or who receive temporary visas which they over-stay.
    These latter entrants arrive with the intention of disregarding any restrictions upon the length of their visits and of submerging themselves in ethnic communities where they are difficult to identify.

    Hence there is a swelling accumulation of illegal immigrants in Australia, who if discovered are difficult to remove in view of the generous legal assistance by the Australian taxpayer in funding legal fees enabling them to oppose extradition.



    Secondly, the problem of "boatpeople" has become increasingly obvious. Due to a perception that Australian immigration laws are weak, large numbers of would-be immigrants have paid, and are now paying, substantial sums to intermediaries who organise illegal entry into Australia.

    Many of these boatpeople originate from China, Afghanistan and Iraq.
    When they arrive within the Australian jurisdiction they commonly claim rights of entry as refugees.
    Again, they are provided with financial resources by the Australian taxpayer to pay the legal costs of arguing their cases — one estimate is that the cost of removing an illegal immigrant is, on average, approximately $60,000.

    Because the relevant government regulations are loose, and because the Federal Court has proved itself to be less reliable than the State Supreme Courts, many illegal immigrants have proved to be undeservedly successful before the Federal Court.

    What is apparent is that the existing legal rules in regard to illegal immigrants are inadequate.
    The grant of legal assistance to them in order to sue the Australian government is absurdly generous.

    What, instead, is needed is a simple rule that any person who has illegally entered Australia is to be returned forthwith to his country of origin.
    Any application as a "refugee" should not be made in Australia, and it should be provided that those claiming refugee status do so before coming here.

    So far as boatpeople are concerned, it must be appreciated that if, as now, Australia continues to have an excessively sympathetic attitude, it will continue to be singled out as a place for illegal entry.
    Although one may wish to treat kindly those who are subject to unreasonable or oppressive governments, if a firm position is not taken there will be a continual expansion of the business of bringing in illegal immigrants to Australia.

    Those who organise transportation are highly renumerated, and it would be naive to believe that they can be restrained otherwise than by firm and decisive treatment.

    For boatpeople, therefore, the appropriate course is to have sufficient coast guard vessels to intercept them before they come within Australian waters and to require them to return to their countries of embarkation.
    Where appropriate food, water and fuel should be provided to them on humanitarian grounds to ensure that they can return safely to those countries. (If they have already arrived in Australia they should be returned or deported on the same basis.)
    When returned to their own countries they will be able to make proper applications for entry to Australia if they choose to do so, either on a normal basis or as refugees.



    It should however be added that the concept of "refugee" should not be construed generously for these purposes.
    There are many countries where civil rights are more limited than in Australia, and where varying degrees of repression exist.

    Unfortunate as this position is, it does not compel Australia to accept persons from those countries as refugees.
    Otherwise the flow of applicants would swell beyond any possibility that they could be assimilated or even be welcome
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    Once again 'Political Correctness' has gone insane.




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    Re: Illegal Immigration

    We have quite a number Illegal Mexican Immigrants here in the USA. I was stationed on the Arizona-Mexican border, we would have groups cross at various points, especially at night. One route was through the mountain range that ran through our base; this wasn't so much a security issue as an environmental issue.... the travellers would leave tons of garbage up on the mountains.
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    Dave, all I'm gonna say on the issue is that I agree. At least you don't have ... Never mind, I ain't gonna start!!!!
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    Re: Illegal Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan View Post
    Dave, all I'm gonna say on the issue is that I agree. At least you don't have ... Never mind, I ain't gonna start!!!!
    You're not going to dump-on the Canadians again..... they're people too!!! ...well mostly....
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    Re: Illegal Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Frizzenspark View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan View Post
    Dave, all I'm gonna say on the issue is that I agree. At least you don't have ... Never mind, I ain't gonna start!!!!
    You're not going to dump-on the Canadians again..... they're people too!!! ...well mostly....
    You sure on that? Just look at Em...

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    Canuckians, I basically gots no issue with! I was gonna name an individual.
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    Re: Illegal Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Houlihan View Post
    Canuckians, I basically gots no issue with! I was gonna name an individual.
    Oh dear...... it's the Bob Hope thing again, you realize that he was only three when he came over to the states, now that he's passed on I was hoping you'd drop it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizzenspark View Post
    We have quite a number Illegal Mexican Immigrants here in the USA. I was stationed on the Arizona-Mexican border, we would have groups cross at various points, especially at night. One route was through the mountain range that ran through our base; this wasn't so much a security issue as an environmental issue.... the travellers would leave tons of garbage up on the mountains.
    You may have seen on the news recently that an Australian Customs vessel picked up some 78 Sri Lankan "Tamils" while in Indonesian waters,
    (They left Sri Lanka after government forces defeated the notorious LTTE. - aka. Tamil Tigers.)

    They were heading for Australia but were intercepted in Indonesian waters before the reached Australian waters and were taken to Indonesia.
    But once they arrived there, they refused to leave the Australian Customs vessel (Oceanic Viking) until their demands were met and wanted the ship to transport them directly to Australia, only then they would disembark.

    The "Leader" of the Tamils on the ship is a convicted criminal who was deported from Canada, but he thinks that is irrelevant and he should be granted entry into Australia.


    After 4 weeks sitting off the Indonesian coast, it seems the Tamils will get what they want. Media pressure has forced the Australian government to do a deal with them to get them off the ship by agreeing to 'Fast-Track' them entry into Australia.


    I think the whole lot of them should have been removed from the vessel when they point-blank refused to leave, then packed into C-130's and immediately flown back to Sri Lanka for refusing to comply with the order to disembark.
    (I wouldn't be Blackmailed into breaking the rules just for them and make an example of them for trying to use blackmail against us.)

    Our Australian Government needs to wake up and realise it's time for the kid gloves to come off and start punnishing instead of rewarding illegal immigrants or the problem will only get worse.
    It's like the old expression, "You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." and it's one the government here obviously hasn't learned yet.



    The quote below sums it up perfectly.

    It should however be added that the concept of "refugee" should not be construed generously for these purposes.

    There are many countries where civil rights are more limited than in Australia, and where varying degrees of repression exist.

    Unfortunate as this position is, it does not compel Australia to accept persons from those countries as refugees.

    Otherwise the flow of applicants would swell beyond any possibility that they could be assimilated or even be welcome.


    Cheers,
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    Re: Illegal Immigration

    Dave, it can only get worse.
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    Well little Bush Howard may have had his faults but at least his government was a bit tougher on this subject. This appears to be the problem with left wing labour governments, you vote them in and then they fill the country with illegals and others that are only too happy to vote for them to stay in power for letting them in. Look at what has happened to England since Blair came to power. It was never that bad under Thatcher, yeah she had her faults but she was for England, and Howard was for Oz.
    From what I see from accross the trench here, Rudd is just too nicey nicey and is happy to just let anyone in (except New Zealanders lol). There has to come a time when this whole multicultural nicey nicey thing blows up in our own faces and we wake up to find we've lost our own heritage and values.

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