Bormann--a spy?

[joyarjun1]

Was Martin Bormann a Soviet double agent?
That's what Reinhard Gehlen claims in his memoirs. I found a corroborative reference also in the book called The Brandenburgers.
Any definitive info, folks?

joyarjun1

[MAGNA]

That's a great question. It's probably one that will go on forever. There is also evidence that he was an out and out Nazi so it is hard to say.

I haven't seen definite info either way though. It's just like the theory that he escaped from Berlin and disappeared. There are witnesses who claim they saw him killed by the Russians while trying to leave Berlin.

[Hagen]

I've also heard the same about Heinrich (Gestapo) Mueller. Although I didn't realize it had been Gehlen who said so of Bormann. Does Gehlen give anything in the way of proof?

[Tom Houlihan]

Bormann = Lucy???

[cyberia]

I think you have to take what those guys said about each other with a grain of salt. My understanding, from what I have read, is this was not a happy bunch. A great deal of scheming and backstabbing went on among these "kamaradens".

[Hagen]

I'm wondering if this all has to do with "Das Leck" "The Leak" that James P O'Donnel talks about in his book "The Bunker" seems little bits and pieces of information had been getting out from Hitlers own HQ. O'Donnell makes the case, and quiet convincinly, that it was Fegeleins mistress that was actually Das Leck. I'ld have to re-read the passages but if there is interest I would be happy to.

[cyberia]

Originally Posted by Hagen

I'm wondering if this all has to do with "Das Leck" "The Leak" that James P O'Donnel talks about in his book "The Bunker" seems little bits and pieces of information had been getting out from Hitlers own HQ. O'Donnell makes the case, and quiet convincinly, that it was Fegeleins mistress that was actually Das Leck. I'ld have to re-read the passages but if there is interest I would be happy to.

Please do!! I have not heard that one before.

[Jim O]

I'm interested as well if you don't mind.

[Hagen]

From Albert Speer;

"But in the last fortnight, when Hitler mentioned das leck he knew what he was talking about, a steady flow of information out of his own shop. For example, he told me of an order- I believe it was a rather routine promotion list- that he had for some reason held back and not sent to the OKW or OKH. Yet within 48 hours, he complained, the news of these "promotions" was on the British radio."
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After Hitler finds out about Himmlers betrayal to surrender in the west Hitler sends for Fegelein only to be told he hasn't been seen in the bunker for some time. Hitler demands to see Fegelein so a police squad lead by a SS Standartenfuhrer Hoegel is sent out to bring him in. Hoegel finally arrives at Fegeleins flat. When they broke in they found Fegelein "back in uniform with his collar open, his face clean shaven. He was standing at a mahogany table together with a young women. She was tall and blonde, with a tint of red in her shoulder length hair. Both were busily engaged in packing a womens hand valaise, much smaller then a suitcase." Hoegel saluted snappily. He then politly but firmly reminded Herr General Fegelein of the long standing Fuhrer order that he return to the Reich Chancellery immediately. Fegelein was still in his cups, (drunk) and at first tried to pull his rank but finally agreed to go along. However during the talk with Fegelein, the women took a tray of empty glasses to the kitchen, she seemed to be fetching water for the cognac Fegelein had offered his guests. After a while one of the detectives noticed that the woman did not return, though he could hear water running. The detective went to find the women only to discover she had turned on the water and promptly slipped out the window. (Hoegel forgot to post guards outside.)

Well it turns out that when Hoegel finally gets Fegelein and the womens valaise to the bunker Bormann grabs it and empties it on the table to find money, and precious stones and two passports for the women one passport really caught his eye, it was British!! It's thought the other passport was Hungarian. Bormann apparently called Hoegel a "flat-footed idiot Fegelein was a traitor but the woman was an enemy agent!" "Das Weib" the women she was "Das Leck" Not only did Bormann send Hoegel back to Fegeleins flat to find more evidence he also ordered none other then Heinrich (Gestapo) Mueller himself, but by the time they arrived there was nothing more to find.

In the book O'Donnell puts forth the theory that this is why Fegelein was handed over to the Gestapo, if it was just a case of desertion it would be a military matter, the Gestapo did not get involved with military matters. The Gestapo did however get involved in cases of treason to the state.

Some members of Hitlers court met the lady in question yet they all have different impressions of her, Guensche remembers she spoke German with an accent and spoke several other languages as well, he thought her to be Irish. Rochus Misch thought that she was Scotts married to a Hungarian diplomat. Mohnke stated they he could tell "she was of a different tribe" but he thought she was Danish.


This from Richard Crossman, British MP and journalist in a 1955 conversation with the author.

"Those of us working in the psychological-warfare branch never knew to much about this mystery women. Our shop code name for her was Mata O' Hara. She was operating in Berlin, had intimate contacts in high SS circles, including Hitlers entourage. But when our troops and military intelligence people got to Berlin in 1945, they found our most successful lady agent had vanished. The cream of the jest is that she wasn't British. She was Irish. She should have got the Victoria Cross."

So what do you think? Anyone have a specific question I could try and find an answer to. I think Richard Crossmans conversation ties it together nicely.


Edit; About the promotion list Speer talks about. The reason it was held back was because it was a promotion list of SS officers in Sepp Dietrichs Sixth SS Panzer Army. When they failed to hold Budapest in February, Hitler in his wrath held up the promotion list. Who better to have this list in the Bunker other then Himmlers liason officer? Not that it's suggested that Fegelein was a spy, just that he talked a little to much in the bedroom, or left such things as promotion lists lying about his flat.

[cyberia]

Fascinating stuff, Hagen! And Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.

I agree, its tied up well, and if there is one account I would take serious from that group it would be that of Albert Speer. I had not thought of him when I posted my thoughts on backstabbing and politics in the inner circle.

In my opinion, Speer was quite honest in most if not all of his recollections and not given to axe grinding.

Mohnke and Misch, again in my opinion, were also pretty straight forward in their accounting and to a lesser degree, Guensche.

There may be something to this after all.